Auto Collabs
Collaboration through connection.
Hosted by Paul J Daly, Kyle Mountsier, and Michael Cirillo, Auto Collabs is your connect point to the human side of the retail automotive industry: what motivates its leaders, how they navigate change, and what keeps them pushing forward. It’s beyond-the-business-card conversations with real people powering dealerships, technology platforms, and everything in between.
From the team behind the More Than Cars movement, this podcast is built on one big belief: thriving people create thriving businesses. With candid conversations, industry insight, and just enough unfiltered banter to keep things interesting, Auto Collabs delivers authentic stories that inspire real collaboration.
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Nobody Asked... But Recycled Metals Built Your Car with John Sacco
John Sacco reveals how recycled metals are the unsung heroes fueling everything from hospitals to highways, and yes—even your car.
John Sacco, owner of Sierra Machinery International, joins Paul J Daly, Kyle Mountsier, and Michael Cirillo to unpack the surprisingly central role of recycled metals in modern life. With his signature food-and-wine finesse, John dives into the art of recycling—from molten aluminum forklifts on Toyota’s factory floors to copper’s critical role in electrification—while keeping it casually riveting.
They take us behind the scenes of Repurposed Season 3, where John partners with Toyota to spotlight green manufacturing at its finest. His passion—to change the face of an industry often dismissed as “garbage”—shines when he reminds us: you can’t build a single American-made vehicle today without recycled aluminum. Expect insights on Kaizen manufacturing, international standardization, EV battery waste, and why nobody’s asking the right questions—until now.
0:00 – Why recycled metals matter more than you think
0:45 – How fine dining and recycling connect
2:18 – How to land a Toyota docuseries deal
4:05 – How Toyota makes aluminum manufacturing green
7:30 – Why Toyota standardizes cylinder heads worldwide
14:21 – Why recycled metals may be greener than EVs
16:15 – Why EVs aren’t as recyclable as you think
17:45 – How Toyota stays green without going full EV
19:34 – Why rare earths are a big problem for EVs
20:25 – How EV batteries are creating a recycling bottleneck
22:00 – Why copper demand is exploding with EV growth
23:30 – How electrification affects everything—from lawnmowers to golf courses
Connect with John Sacco at https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-sacco-8a8a1b10/
Learn more about Re:purposed at https://therepurposedseries.com/
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I have never seen a man understand what to order at a restaurant, whether that was the meat selection or the wine selection. More than today's guest, John Socko.
Unknown:This is Auto Collabs, yeah, really, the man
Paul J Daly:knows his food. He knows his wine. When we were, when we had he was on stage, on the main stage at a soda con two years ago, and we go to the steakhouse, and he orders the lamb chop, and he's talking about the wine eye. And he's just like, way over my head. And then not too long, he was like, way over like the Somme Liza had. And I was like, This guy knows we because he he's in metal recycling. So his clients, he makes these big, gigantic, million dollar machines that help the metal recycles. Cyclers do all the separation and all that. So he's traveling around the world a lot, so he's, like, incredibly knowledgeable in culture. And then he says, Oh, he's like, he tells me about the lamp. He's like, Yeah, I've gotten that the last two nights. So I can, I don't think I could get it a third time. And I realized this is his third time at this restaurant during ASOTU CON. Do
Michael Cirillo:you think maybe that's why he knew so much about it?
Paul J Daly:No, no, no. He's a cultured man. He's a culture he's a culture man. You know
Michael Cirillo:what I liked about this guy, and I think we're gonna see it today, is the level of passion around something that nobody knows anything about, like, doesn't consider, doesn't think about, I want to say I interviewed him at ASOTU CON. I did, we did a podcast together, and I walked away from it kind of feeling dumb, because I was like, Oh, this guy knows how the Earth is created,
John Sacco:and I
Michael Cirillo:think you're going to see that level of passion. So hey, why don't we hop into this episode with our pal, John Sacco.
Paul J Daly:John, since the last time we've talked, you've been a little bit busy. You've recorded a whole new season of the Docu series, repurposed this time working with Toyota like an OEM, which obviously, you know, we were friends before, but now it kind of really piqued our interest, because when you were at ASOTU CON, a soda con a couple years ago, you said, yeah, people don't realize that their car is the most recycled thing that they have. And I don't think that's correct. I don't think people think of it that way. And so you're like, watch, watch me show you. I'm gonna do something with Toyota.
John Sacco:Well, okay, you know, first of all, gents, great to be here again with you. Have you guys watched the movie Shawshank Redemption
Kyle Mountsier:about every time it's on any TV channel. I'm like, let's
Paul J Daly:make seven hours long with commercials period. Yes. So I,
John Sacco:I'm, uh, I'd say my top three My son just watched it. He doesn't understand why. But anyway, do you remember the scene where Red is up against the parole hearing for the third time, and he finally says, The guy goes, go ahead and stamp my form, sonny. As you just wasting my time, yep. And you're thinking, why would you do that? You're not going to get paroled. So I got, I was I shot at Toyota to show the there's a subsidiary of the Toyota Motor Company. And I they go, Well, let's try again to get you into Toyota, because without filming inside a a Toyota plant making something from recycled aluminum, there's no show. Okay? So I got on the phone with him, and I finally just said, Hey guys, you turned me down one, so you probably turned me down again. But who's the coward who, who doesn't want to tell the green manufacturing I'm befuddled by this. I go, it's not going to cost you any money. And if Madison Avenue came to you and said, we're going to do this four part Docu series on Toyota and making, uh, motors from recycled aluminum, they'd have charged you $50 million and you would have said, Where do I sign? So tell me
Paul J Daly:what pitch. It's
John Sacco:a great pitch. Five days later, we're in,
Paul J Daly:and they were like, Yeah, but they promised us Brad Pitt, and we ended up with you.
Michael Cirillo:That's gold. That's where you went. My Italian DNA was like, I want names. Who's the coward?
Paul J Daly:Can you spell that?
John Sacco:Yeah, no, but it was really good. So they they agreed. And what was really fascinating about that now is I finally got to tell tie in the story of how recycled aluminum from a facility like ours in Bakersfield, gets to the smelter, and then gets to the plant right next door, and you know, it's 150 yards apart, and you see these crucibles of molten I call them big yetis of Molten Aluminum being driven by a forklift over this road. Yeah, and they pour, they got 60 die casters in this plant in Troy, Missouri. They make 10,000 cylinder heads a day. And you know, it's not as exciting as a steel mill from the big flames that you see when
Paul J Daly:they're starting. Yeah,
John Sacco:this is pretty mundane and boring, but what's really super cool is how Toyota, and when I say they're a green manufacturer, think about the reduction in CO two emissions just for the transit logistics of receiving their raw material to make cylinder heads comes over an electric formula,
Paul J Daly:huh? Well, talk talk about what that would usually entail if they weren't all in one spot.
John Sacco:Well, if you weren't, so for for any logistical thing, so any manufacturer plant receiving whatever you have to bring in the raw material, and when you bring in the raw material. Beat us. Take a steel mill. Let's, let's compare a steel mill versus Toyota. A steel mill. There's a lot of trucks that go 150 180 miles, 60 miles, and they're coming in rail cars. So you got these big, massive car, even though rail cars reduce CO two emissions because you got five trucks and one rail car, but you got all this transportation up and down a highway. It's got a trucks got to go dump, go back, empty, fill up, go back. So you got all this diesel back and forth, rail cars back and forth. And right. So Toyota and Troy, Missouri, with their partnership with their subsidiary Toyota, Toyota two show 150 yards apart, so your forklift just
Kyle Mountsier:all day has to go between, yeah, and
John Sacco:think about this reduction,
Kyle Mountsier:just one part, right? Because, because it's not just the one part. It's not just the cylinder head. This is, like a ton of the inner portions the body of what makes up a
John Sacco:toy. Oh, this is actually, this plant is just cylinder heads. Okay, wow, here. So in the Toyota world, they're very proud of this every Toyota cylinder head manufactured in the world, from Bangkok, Thailand to Troy, Missouri, every plant across Europe and Japan. Doesn't matter South America, every cylinder head is identical to the model of the car. It the tundra, the Tacoma, the Camry, the Corolla, everyone, every motor. Cylinder heads the same. They don't have a motor that's different in South America, into Asia, into Europe, into North America. They're identical. So they can scale so they know, yeah, it's interesting. It's
Paul J Daly:interesting that you bring that up because Kyle and I were just at this kind of, like, very closed door consortium about China and the future of manufacturing and the future power trains. And one of the things that one of the analysts that came up and did a presentation was talking about the the increased standardization across all OEMs of certain things that make them able to manufacture so quickly and so cheaply, you know, right down to like windshield wiper blades. There's no OEM spec for a windshield wiper blade. You want to put a windshield wiper blade on that car. Here it is. It's made in the windshield wiper blade factory. It fits on the windshield wiper blade holder. And just, it's interesting to hear how Toyota is already deploying this in something like cylinder heads across all I would have never thought that would be the case
John Sacco:in no and I was shocked to hear that, because in the end, I'm like, that is just standardization in their manufacturing price. So let's say they have increase in the main okay, because that this is cylinders and Troy cylinder heads in Troy, Jackson, Tennessee, is motor blocks. You know, transmission housings are made elsewhere. So you know, they have, you know, all these different components are made from recycled aluminum and not virgin aluminum. I can get in that to minute, but I'm gonna stay on the standardization. So the unique thing is, is anywhere in their manufacturing world, let's say they have a disruption for natural from a hurricane or a flood, or whatever, okay, you know disruptions happen, they can now bring the same cylinder heads, load containers of cylinder heads from Bangkok, ship them into the US, or vice versa, or wherever the hell they need to go. In other words, their diversity of being able to say. Well, I need to increase the cylinder heads in this part of the world. They're able to do that by saying, Okay, I need more cylinder heads from this place over here, and they don't have to worry about
Michael Cirillo:do you think that level of standardization and efficiency tracks all the way through to the end, purchase price of the vehicle. Meaning, here's where I'm going with this. So I drive a Tundra. I've had pretty much every major truck brand now. I've had a Sierra, I've had a Silverado, I've had an f1 50, I've had a Tundra and and maybe it was
Paul J Daly:the deal. I didn't know that about you, Michael, you didn't know that about me. I didn't know you've had every truck known to man, I thought this was just something you did when you moved to Texas.
Michael Cirillo:No, no, I started trying. You know, Alberta, which is extremely northern Texas. But you know what stood out to me is like, okay, let's say 70 grand for a Tundra compared to one of the other makes. What impressed me is like, my last truck was was one of because I don't want to alienate people, but it was one of the other ones. And I'm like, wait a minute for 70 grand in a Tundra. It comes with the safety monitoring. It comes with this big, beautiful screen. It comes with the bed spray and bed liner. Already, it comes with the footsteps already. It comes with all these things that for the same price. And the other brand, I didn't get any of those things, and it came with a brand. And I wonder, does this standardization of manufacturing trickle down to the consumer experience, where you just get more value for money.
John Sacco:Absolutely, it does. And the thing about that is, is the standardization in, in, in all of that allows for, like I said, think of again. Think about it. They don't have to read they're not reinventing the wheel. They're not making a model that has this and has this and has this, is it, this is it. And they're able to to manufacture, on the high level, the, you know, the all the different components they need for that particular model. And that's why, you know what happens is, is, you know, we manufacture balers, and just to give you every pump on our balers, from the rev one, rep two, rep two, 250 rev four, rev eight, I can interchange any pump on any machine. Some machines have more pumps, but doesn't matter. I did and and where do you learn that from? Is really the Japanese in the Toyota world is called Kaizen, continuous improvement. How do they continuously improve? And if they're and here's the key Kaizen, I thought were big improvements, they're little improvements. What can we do a little better here? What can we do better here? What can we do better? You know, if you try to be better every day, they were telling me, Well, that's a Kaizen, because not every day you can make a major change, but if you can be just a little better every day, that's kaizen. And so they have taken this model, and you know, you know the Toyota manufacturing world, they're renowned for their consulting as well, where they would come into planning. People want to manufacture at a more efficient level. They're renowned for it because they understand this. And now I don't not a total expert on the Toyota, Toyota total way of thinking, but Michael, to your point of standardization and reducing the cost to the consumer. That's why the value if you look at what, you know, I was looking online, what does a Corolla go for? What is a Cameron like? I was shocked at how economical the price tag was compared to other brands for the similar, yeah, you know, make, model of a vehicle. So obviously, there's something to it. Because how can they produce a vehicle? Because they have to produce it here in America. A lot of them made right here in America. Well, how are they producing something here in America? Everybody says most expensive place in the world to manufacture, but yet, they can offer something at a more competitive price than the GMs and the Fords and the others.
Kyle Mountsier:Yeah. So Michael, I want to go back to because you you've said like they're a green manufacturer. I want to go back to that. Because right now, the geopolitical, the political, the cultural climate is a lot around electric right? New power train, new new way of thinking. You know, production styles, even materials being used in the in these vehicles, can you juxtapose for us, just a little bit on, like when you say a manufacturer that is, you know, that is primarily making gas and hybrid engines, lots of hybrid power. Trains is you would consider green based on the entire vehicle process, in comparison, even potentially to some of the newer manufacturing and power train processes.
John Sacco:Well, okay, that's a great question. Yeah, so green. You know, what is green? Green? You know that? That's a hell of a word, and a lot of green washing goes on out there. Green washing is bull crap, saying we're green when you're not. But Toyota, let's, let's look at the there any piece of aluminum from their wheels, transmission, housing differentials. You know, if you get up underneath Michael to your tundra, and you see the tundra in the drive the train, the shaft, it's all aluminum. Now that is 800 pounds lighter because of the use of aluminum. Now the aluminum they use is recycled aluminum, because it comes with it. It's easier to alloy up to make the alloy they need more durable. Virgin aluminum is far greater and expense, and you the additives that you would have to come up with with from Virgin aluminum and the mining of it, there's no way, you know, recycle aluminum saves 95% CO two emissions, and then remelting and 95% of energy consumption versus virgin, okay, so right there, and then just the use is dramatically greener, all right. So then you got, like brakes. Brakes in America are made from 100% recycled iron. A lot of the copper in the car is coming from has a huge amount of copper, recycled copper content in it. Now the outer shell of lot of the cars are going to be from EA not EAS, but from integrated steel mills that use iron ore. Let's, let's be honest about that. But in our in the steel making of integrated steel mills that make the the steel for the outer, you know, the doors, the hoods, and so there's about 10 to 15% of recycled steel in that so with putting all together in some of the plastics that they're using, they're coming from recycled plastics, the in the the in the plant Troy, Missouri, this the silicon they're using for the molds. So you know that do the port, the they have to put these things in there. And what it does is that sand is made from 100% it's reused over and over and over and over again. So even when they have a bad motor block or bad cylinder head that gets recycled, goes right back to the smelter, remelted and brought back because, you know, through the inspection process. So when you start seeing just the sheer amount of the circularity of components that they're using that when they have scrap out of their plant. It goes back to the aluminum smelter, or the steel making plant for fenders and hoods. It goes back to the steel mills to make new products so they're using it's real. It's a closed loop recycling their waste metal. It's not waste. I would never call it waste. They're residual. But they're they're residual, their byproduct from manufacturing. Call it from stampings or whatever, go right back into making the new coils, the new steel, the new aluminum, all that, all that stuff. So, you know, versus the electric vehicle that has so many rare earth minerals in it that has the Cobalts and stuff, so you are dealing with more virgin metals in an electric vehicle than you are, if you will. That
Paul J Daly:makes sense. Always new, yeah, I like that. You just brought up the rare earths because that's been a super hot topic of conversation in automotive China controlling his thing, it's 90% of the magnets, or the availability to manufacture, refine the materials for magnets. And so we were talking the other day, and we did a quick search, and I was like, Can you recycle magnets? And do you have a thought or perspective on all these rare earths, these magnets that are, you know, holding, kind of the EV industry people, some people think hostage, because now China has secured so much of the raw materials. Is there going to be a shift and a hyper focus on recycling these and those being available and kind of breaking down some of that, there
John Sacco:will be monopoly. There will be, yeah, there's going to be
Paul J Daly:and the real question is, is John Socko about to become the most important man in the EV conversation?
John Sacco:No, not at Okay, and here's why I'm not, because in the end, rare earths and all the stuff used to be making, uh, EVs, um. Now, you know the lithium batteries, the lithium that they use there. So what, what you have is, is, right now, the EVs are not designed to be recycled yet. Ah, okay, because the lithium battery, the the lithium batteries just in the auto industry alone in appliances, the lithium battery is problematic of extracting like in a cell phone, if you will. So EVs, you know, you have a car, it's got these big EV batteries. What do you do with it? You know, you the automobiles die. A internal combustion engine dies by an auto shredder. But what happens with the lithium battery and in those materials? And right now, the recycling of all these other materials that are in EVs hasn't quite caught up. There's some people starting to do it, but it isn't as easy as it is a, you know, just a regular gasoline engine, if you will, easy to recycle, easy to process. You know, in when it goes to EVs, the one thing about EVs, you know, they're using, like Tesla, they use a lot of recycled aluminum in their frames. So that's the good news there. The lightweight, the light weighting in any auto manufacturer in the United States, is where we're saving CO two emissions on the mpg. More miles per gallon means less CO two emissions. So that's good, but the electric vehicles see now. The other issue with the electric vehicles is the recharging grid. The the infrastructure to recharging vehicles requires, if we went to all that reveal, we just wouldn't have enough copper, as it is now to empower.
Paul J Daly:You know about that? I mean, the cop, well, they don't understand.
John Sacco:Well, you know, copper, it's a worldwide trade in metal. They are. They have large inventories of copper, recycled copper. So that's why, you know, if you look at Copper, it's trading over $5 a pound on the COMEX, the shock Chicago American, the look, copper is going to be in high demand as so much electronic things, you know, electronic, electric, workless electric Austin
Kyle Mountsier:copper is what you're trying to tell me
John Sacco:somehow. Well, I've got to believe it's going to be it's a commodity that's going to be in high demand. Because if you think about it, think about all the products, lawn mowers at golf courses. Okay, take Pebble Beach, right, iconic, right. Well, eventually that'll be robotic. EV, it'll be electric lawn mower that'll be aI guided to. So think about that. But they're gonna have to charge that now. They need more power every golf course will get. I'm just, I'm just using this as an example, street sweepers. Well, as we see the cabs, the driverless cabs. Well, now all the Street Sweepers across America could be electric AI driven Street Sweepers. Well, now they got to return home to be charged up every day. So when you when you have anything that's got to be charged up, you need more you need more copper. It just in destroy. Now, you lot of people use aluminum cables. Now, there's copper cable. There's aluminum cable also. So, so as we go to more electric, electric, you know, your ATVs will go more electric. Think about boats. I mean, there'll be electric motors eventually. You know, I got a boat that has a 300 horsepower Mercury, two 300 horsepower Mercury's, well, one day, somebody's gonna figure out how to make those out of electric so think about all the electrification going on. And when you electrify, you need one. Yeah, that's copper. So, so I'm
Michael Cirillo:buying bricks of copper right now.
Paul J Daly:Buying it just right now,
Kyle Mountsier:copper bricks. Michael froze, someone's going to need these guys. That's wild.
Paul J Daly:Oh, well, we have one more. We have one more thing. We want to play. What did you say?
John Sacco:You all froze for a second. All three of you went,
Paul J Daly:Oh, got it? We want to play. We want to play one more thing for you. I think we have a little delay. Sorry, we'll figure it out. We want to play one thing for you and ask you a couple more questions about it. Nathan, roll roll. It
Unknown:without the recycled metals industry. No rebar to build the hospital's Foundation, no surgical tools. Can't even build this Gurney without nobody else.
Paul J Daly:That's amazing. All right, so the. Is obviously a commercial to commemorate the promote the launch of repurpose season three. Kind of, we kind of related to that one because we see it. And sometimes, like, we'll walk in and, you know, we'll just be talking to, like the hostess at the restaurant. How about how great the car industry is, how important it is to the local economy, how important it is to leadership development and community. And, you know, like, they smile and they nod. But really, nobody asked, Why are you so driven to produce this Docu series into an industry that you know, the the pregnant lady on the gurney said, Nobody asks, right while her husband's trying to tell her none of that would be possible. Why are you doing this?
John Sacco:Because it's comes down to the bottom line, our industry has a terrible image. We're looked at as dirty, dirty waste, trash, garbage, junk. All of those are absolutely not what we do. And if we don't change the image, if we don't change how we talk about what we do, and like the blue states across America, don't like our industry, okay? They think we're bad, yet they don't understand without us, they don't live their lives. Health care gets all of that, and that's why I was saying nobody asked. Nobody asked, because I can tell you and I when season one came out, Democratic Majority Leader in the Senate was Mr. Schumer. The Speaker of the House was Kevin McCarthy, Republican, Democrat. They watched a couple episodes, and they said the same thing, wow. I had no idea what your industry does. Wow, because we don't ever teach our kids this. So when, when I say, Nobody asked, well, nobody asked, well, how's our car made? What materials? Where does it come from? How about that highway that has been constructed that slows traffic down? But where's that steel come here? Because nobody asked, because nobody asked. In World War Two, our industry, we were slaughtered for our efforts, because our cans are your our bullets. We were fighting tyranny with the stuff we recycled. World War Two, there was posters, recycle. You know your your metal is our cannons, your metals are ships. Yeah, right, because we are fighting tyranny. We went from the heroes to persona no grata in a couple decades,
Kyle Mountsier:wow, yeah, and it's like, but we still produce, yeah,
Paul J Daly:yeah, but you're just as important. Say again, but you're just as important still, but you're just as important. I
John Sacco:would argue we're the most vital industry in America, because without us, there is no health care, there is no farming, there is no auto industry in receipt. In re season three, they flat out tell you you cannot make one automobile today in America without recycled aluminum. And that's all manufacturers. Wow.
Kyle Mountsier:Sounds so familiar. I feel it
John Sacco:not one. So why am I running with this? Because nobody's asking the question. I got a fun one with a guy on an airplane. I got it starting to come out now,
Paul J Daly:with a guy on an airplane.
John Sacco:No, there's a guy on a flight. Oh, he it's another one like that, where the guys talking to this lady, you know, without recycled metals, the aluminum for this aircraft wouldn't be made, and for the without copper, there won't be the electronics around this aircraft. And for that matter, no rebar for the runway we're going to land on, or to steal for the jetways and the airports. She looks at him, nobody asked.
Kyle Mountsier:That's the problem. Nobody's asking. We wouldn't be in a steel can flying across the world without the without that industry. That's wild. That's wild. Think about this.
John Sacco:Every kid who takes chemistry, this is important to me. Every kid who takes chemistry in high school always says the same doggone thing. What do they say? When will I ever need this, right? Well, if you get a job in the aluminum smelting industry, the steel industry, the copper industry, you got to know your periodic tables, because you got to see when you're doing the metallurgy in a steel mill and aluminum foundry and copyright, you're saying, Okay, well, I got X amount, 00, 0.1% Molly in this okay, that's acceptable. So now you got to know, so if, if our educators would teach our kids, hey, let's build a bridge. We need steel. Let's go to steel, and let's look at the periodic table. Here's all the elements that go into making steel. What kids
Kyle Mountsier:goes how we actually use that? Yeah, yep, your
John Sacco:car that you drove to school and seeing. That's what my point is. Nobody asked. You think a kid gives a flying rats ass that the hospital they were born in? It starts with recycled steel with rebar. Did they? Did they even Okay? Nobody asked. Nobody tells Yeah. So that's why I'm doing it.
Kyle Mountsier:Well. It's,
John Sacco:I get, you know, you guys hit a button.
Kyle Mountsier:Hey, I love it. I love the passion, like came right through at the end and and the fact that you're doing the whole series, you're you, you know that funding it changes, changes in industry, but also the way that you're going about it is amazing. I'm glad we got to chat, talk through the auto industry, talk through steel. We went. We went a million different directions. John, it's always a pleasure hanging out with
John Sacco:you. It's a pleasure to be with you guys. But you know, let's, let's get, let's, let's settle on one message. Without recycled aluminum, you cannot build one automobile in America today, not GM, Ford, Toyota, you name it. You can't build one without recycled aluminum.
Paul J Daly:That's right, and that. Go learn all about it. Repurposed season three, available now on Amazon Prime, yeah,
John Sacco:not yet, not yet, not quite yet. On Brian when YouTube, it'll be probably a couple, three weeks trust. But here, here's the boy. Here's the tagline, recycling aluminum, driving the US auto industry. Let's
Kyle Mountsier:go. Let's go. Let's go. Awesome. Thanks, John,
John Sacco:gentlemen, it's a pleasure to be here with you. You keep doing what you're doing. I love what you guys do. Keep playing those guitars and have a little fun. All right, will do?
Kyle Mountsier:All right. Look, if you weren't watching that podcast, take your stuff the time. Go near the end, about five minutes to the end, we played a video. It says nobody asked. You have to watch it because it's one of these things, is clearly AI generated, right? I
Paul J Daly:don't think it's clearly AI generated. You don't think so. No, I think that if, for us, you didn't say that, I think if you didn't say that, no one, well, no one
Kyle Mountsier:would have known. Okay, so is AI generated. But the level of thought behind putting together a campaign like that. And I think that that the reason why we love talking to John is because we there's so much similarity in what Auto is, the the connective tissue to everything that happens in our country, the level of GDP associated with selling and servicing a car like those two pieces and the spider web of it going out, similar to the steel industry, the recycled metals industry, so intense and like to hear his passion cut ramp after that was insane.
Michael Cirillo:You know, you know what frightened me a little bit. Actually, in his passion, he revealed, tell me if i I heard this, I wrote this down that he a knows, it seems quite well legislators on Capitol Hill, I think he does Yes, and revealed that they have no clue.
Paul J Daly:Listen of that, that that practice doesn't surprise me at all. We were talking to we were talking to me. I said it frightened
Michael Cirillo:me. Okay, that's fair making laws and regulations who have not even asked the most basic question about the thing that they're legislating.
Paul J Daly:Well, I think that's that's one of the reasons that nada works so hard to be on the hill, and why it's so important that auto dealers get involved with the legislators. Because oftentimes you have a legislator who is, you know, when you have an industry specific topic like automotive, instance, there is, there is an aide who is advising the legislator on the topics, on the issues. And that aid, oftentimes, in Washington, DC, is like, Oh yeah, I've never actually bought a car. That actually happened to us, and we were talking to somebody like, yeah? Like, being honest, I've never bought it. Never bought a car. Yeah, you're advising policy. It's like, who's your favorites? Like, I
Michael Cirillo:don't know. I like carva. They were like, there aren't any, there aren't even any EV chargers at the
Paul J Daly:Capitol. It's like the same people that say we should outlaw 18 wheelers. We should outlaw these things. It's like, well, you realize that if we did, that's how you get your groceries, we would have any of the stuff that you have right now,
Kyle Mountsier:it's amazing. Well, hey, we hope you enjoyed that conversation. We certainly did. You can hear the passion behind John. Go check out repurposed on YouTube right now. You can find it on if you're listening to this a couple of weeks later, you can probably find it on Amazon Prime video, where you can find it more than cars our Docu series as well. Nice on behalf of Paul J Daly Kyle, mouse here and Michael Cirillo, I'm leaving him last because he's amazing. Thanks for joining us on Auto Collabs.
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